Nish Kumar

No one wants their text messages made public.

I'm in Australia currently and obviously the head of state here is still inexplicably the King of England for reasons that remain unclear seemingly to most Australians.

So there is a knowledge, a really good knowledge of the details of the case pertaining to the artist formerly known as Prince Andrew.

but there was a bit more opacity around the Mandelson case.

He's not got quite the cut through here.

And it's been really interesting, first of all, explaining who Peter Mandelson is.

And just to bring it back to what you were saying, Ash, this idea of is the government acting in the interest of the people or acting in the interest of capital is a really, really important question that's been exposed by all of this.

And if we don't pose that question, then we are doing a disservice to the real details of this story, right?

I really appreciate the afterword of the book it's a really interesting thing to read somebody reflecting on critiques of their own work and not necessarily responding to those critiques by saying you can all go fuck yourself like that as someone who has had his work critiqued I can tell you the impulse is to tell somebody to go fuck themselves like that's the impulse

Well, look, I think it's very good that you two as journalists have reflected on the shortcomings of your profession.

I, of course, as a comedian and podcaster, know that everyone in my profession has done a great job and done no cultural damage whatsoever.

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