Nish Kumar

Yeah.

Let's get this right.

15 million and two.

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So on Thursday, the Gorton and Denton by-election is taking place.

Last week's show had a fantastic interview, and I can say that because I wasn't involved in it.

A fantastic interview with the Green candidate, Hannah Spencer.

So do check out that episode.

Now, as things stand, she still tops the betting odds.

But Starmer didn't give the impression that he was worried about a Green win when speaking to the Daily Express.

Ash, let me put this quote to you.

An unnamed advisor to Starmer has been quoted as saying, a reform win would be terrible, but a green win would be existential.

Do you think that there is a part of the Labour leadership that is thinking, if we lose, then I hope reform win?

Because then that sets us on a course to 2029 of...

It's Labour or reform and the Greens essentially ate our vote and they're going to provide a pathway for Nigel Farage to come to 10 Downing Street.

Is there an element tactically and looking at the Labour Party's strategy for the period of time between now and the next election that a reform win is the second best outcome for them?

Because it essentially puts the shits up.

People like me, like a reform win.

You know, I've said this a number of times on the podcast.