Nish Kumar

I mean, again, in terms of the stories we're seeing from across the country, I'm pretty sure a lot of the people living in reform-led councils would rather they were focused on things like bin collection and not increasing council taxes rather than what Trump is doing about Greenland.

But anyway, let's not get too far in the weeds with that.

Liam, what do you make of these, this sort of spate of defections?

Obviously the most high profile so far being Robert Jenrick.

I mean, I think two things there.

I was in a car that was driving past Dulwich College three days ago.

And I have to say, which is famously when Nigel Farage went to secondary school, it didn't seem like it wasn't elite.

Yeah.

Just driving past the acreage of Dulwich College's sports field, it didn't seem like it was very far outside the elite.

And also, you know, I think we've restated this the last couple of weeks, you know, listening to Nadeem Zahawi's speech, listening to Robert Jenrick's speech about...

the state of this ravaged country that has been completely destroyed and is on its knees.

I would be absolutely livid with the party that has run the country for most of the last decade and a half if I was in Robert Jenrick and Nadeem Zahawi's position.

I'd be trying to find out who was in charge.

It's all very, you know...

I think you should leave hot dog sketch.

Like it's all very, we've got to find the guys that did this.

I guess the advantage to reform is that they can make the case that they're bringing in people who have experience of government.

They have experience of fucking up government, but experience is experience.

But is there also a problem that, you know, Nigel Farage is the big name.

He is the drawer of reform.