Noah Hawley

So that's how the zeitgeist rose up to meet me.

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm a third generation writer.

Both my mother and her mother were writers.

And, you know, my grandma had an eighth grade education off the boat from Ukraine and my mother had a high school education.

And so I knew early on that writing is just, it's something you call yourself and then you have to earn it.

There's no special degree or anything.

And I-

I think that's liberating because you're not learning how to write from people who are judging your work.

You know, you got to assume that you're going to write some bad things and then the next thing might be better and then the thing after that may be better.

And, you know, I was, you know, I...

I mean, the first writing I did was songwriting as a musician.

Oh, wow.

You know, I played guitar and had a band and then realized I'm not a night person, right?

So that was not a line of work that was going to work out really for me.

Jason's not an afternoon person.

You caught that.

No.

Yeah, I was just studying things that were interesting to me and then writing on the side.

Yeah.