Noam Lovinsky

So I think that the question of is it easier for cloud code to figure out the right user experience, or is it easier for someone that is working more actively in the kind of that UX application layer like a Manus or like a Lovable to figure out the user experience unlock?

I guess I would probably bet on people working at that UX application layer already, but I think that the foundational labs are doing that as well and are trying to learn at that level as well.

I think we're basically at the point where we're approaching about half that's there.

I think that it can go much further than that.

I think it's absolutely the latter, that we build more things.

I have never worked at a single company that doesn't have an infinite roadmap, that doesn't have a, we're done here.

We only need this many people.

We're done here.

I absolutely think we're going to go through a phase and we're going through a phase where the number of people we need and what a good ratio on a product team looks like and all of that is going through like a fundamental shift.

And that's going to that that causes obviously some disruption that that doesn't always feel great.

But then I think once that kind of.

normalizes and we have a better understanding of that our desire to do more is not going to go anywhere and then we're going to like continue to scale but basically you know divide up the work in a different way can i ask you you said about the ratio on product teams changing what do you think it's changing from and to and how would you discuss that

So, I mean, I think that, you know, up until like a couple of years ago, you probably like what is a what is a kind of a decent product team look like if you were starting like a zero to one team?

You know, maybe you say it's like, you know, depending on on the problem, you know, five, 10 engineers at the limit.

You know, it's kind of like 1 p.m., one designer.

Right.

I think now you're you're much more looking at, you know, it's like maybe one PM, one designer, two engineers is kind of like, you know, what what you need.

And then also who is doing what is is also very, very different.

Right.

Like everyone is in the code.