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20Product: Is the Design Phase Dead in a World of AI | Has Claude Code Crushed Anthropic Already | What Roles of a PM Are Less and More Important with AI | How the Best Product Leaders Tell Stories with Noam Lovinsky, CPO @ Superhuman

15 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 18.162 Harry Stebbings

This is 20 Product with me, Harry Stebbings. Now, 20 Product is the monthly show where we sit down with the best product leaders to reveal their tips, tactics, and strategies to building great products and product teams in a world of AI. I'm thrilled today to be joined by Nom Levinsky, CPO at Superhuman, formerly Grammarly.

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Chapter 2: What is great product leadership in a world influenced by AI?

18.383 - 39.69 Harry Stebbings

Prior to Superhuman, Nom was a Senior Director of Product Management at Facebook, and in his earlier years, He was a CPO at Thumbtack and spent five years as a Director of Product Management at Google, where, check this out, he was responsible for all of YouTube's applications. But before we dive into the show today, you know what's wild? It's 2026 and so many product

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Chapter 3: Does the design phase die in a world of vibe coding?

39.67 - 59.56 Harry Stebbings

teams are still flying blind, buried in spreadsheets, chasing feedback across 10 different tools, trying to figure out what actually will move the needle. I've spoken with hundreds of product leaders, and the best teams all do one thing differently. They build a system to capture ideas, validate them with real data, and focus their roadmap on the right things.

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59.72 - 70.935 Harry Stebbings

That's why product teams at Canva, Deliveroo, Toast, Decathlon use Jira Product Discovery It pulls ideas and feedback into one place with built-in tools to prioritize what will actually have the biggest impact.

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Chapter 4: How does AI change product development processes?

71.035 - 90.619 Harry Stebbings

That's when a roadmap stops being an endless list of ideas and becomes a plan people actually believe in. Join more than 20,000 teams already using Chira Product Discovery. Head to Atlassian.com forward slash Harry. Oh, I like it. I get my name in there. Atlassian.com forward slash Harry and start building the right thing today.

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90.599 - 112.693 Harry Stebbings

After Atlassian helps your team build and ship great products, Intercom helps you support the customers using them. If you're looking for a way to transform your customer service, let me introduce you to Finn, baby. Finn is the number one AI agent for customer service, resolving up to 93% of customer queries automatically. There is no other agent that can do that.

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Chapter 5: What strategies can accelerate product development?

112.773 - 134.586 Harry Stebbings

Not 93% of customer queries, okay? No other agent can do that. So why choose Finn? Finn is the best performing AI agent for CS. Finn doesn't just answer questions, it takes actions. It automates the most complex customer queries like refunds, transaction disputes, technical troubleshooting with speed and reliability. I wish my team was speedy and reliable.

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134.606 - 145.725 Harry Stebbings

Beats every competitor in every head-to-head bake-off. Completely configurable and code optional setup. My word. I mean, the benefits just go on and on. It's easy and efficient implementation.

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Chapter 6: What predictions can we make for product building in 2026?

145.905 - 169.95 Harry Stebbings

It works on any help desk with no tedious migration needs. It's trusted by over 6,000 customer service leaders, including top AI companies like Anthropic, Lovable, Synthesia, Clay, Vanta, So if you're ready to transform your customer service team, scale your support, and give team members time to focus on the really high-level strategic work, learn more about FIN at fin.ai forward slash 20VC.

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170.41 - 179.263 Harry Stebbings

While FIT scales your support without losing speed, ReForge shows you how to translate that scale into durable product-led growth.

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Chapter 7: How is AI impacting the roles of product managers?

179.243 - 201.37 Harry Stebbings

Everyone's shipping faster than ever. Cursor, Claw Code, Codex. AI is making code and writing code faster than ever. But here's the problem. Speed means nothing if nobody uses what you ship. That's where Reforge comes in. Reforge is building the product discovery engine that sits upstream of your coding agents.

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201.35 - 221.081 Harry Stebbings

Not another prototyping tool, research repo, or AI interviewer, but a product that will, number one, ingest your customer data, number two, generate variations of product solutions, number three, validate the solutions before code is written, And number four, hand off winning directions to your team.

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221.582 - 244.665 Harry Stebbings

Reforge kills product debt before it starts because every unused feature you ship isn't just wasted engineering time, it's a maintenance burden, complexity tax, and surface area that you cannot shrink. Used by product teams at companies like Toast, Vimeo, Klaviyo, and many more, Reforge helps teams ship more features that actually get used.

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245.086 - 269.602 Harry Stebbings

Try Reforge at reforge.com forward slash build and use the code 20VC, that's 20VC, for one month free of pro. You have now arrived at your destination. Norm, I'm so excited for this, dude. I've heard so many good things. I was literally just making you incredibly uncomfortable beforehand. Normally with venture investors, you say that you've got great references and they're like, no, stop it.

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269.642 - 279.535 Harry Stebbings

Tell me more. But you're like legit, like, no, it's making me uncomfortable, which shows your humility. But thank you so much for joining me today, dude. Oh, it's my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

279.515 - 301.702 Harry Stebbings

Not at all, but I want to start with a little bit of a story, because I spoke to Glenn at Redfin before, and he said you came into Redfin when they had a couple of different product leaders, and you answered a question that he always remembers. The question that you answered is, what is a product leader? And he said the description that you gave was very simple, but it was phenomenal.

302.183 - 308.931 Harry Stebbings

And so when I ask you, what is a product leader and a great product leader, what is that description?

309.097 - 336.717 Noam Lovinsky

I mean, I think fundamentally a great product leader is a great storyteller, someone that is able to understand what the customers actually need, what problem that actually needs to be solved. and can form that into a story that is just well understood and well aligned, not only with the market and the customer, but that gets everyone internally to row in the same direction.

336.757 - 353.232 Noam Lovinsky

There's all these interesting debates right now about roles collapsing and product and marketing and so on. I just really don't see these things as separate. I see product and marketing and, you know, it's the same thing. And so maybe that's where where this comes from.

Chapter 8: What tools are currently reshaping product teams?

353.252 - 362.07 Noam Lovinsky

I think that fundamentally a good product leader is just an excellent storyteller and the best companies and the best brands are excellent storytellers.

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362.405 - 381.216 Harry Stebbings

This is where we don't send schedules in advance because I just kind of lose interest in them the minute you say anything. Our teams are like, we spent hours doing this research, Harry, and then you just go rogue. But you said storyteller. I get that. But the challenge when you're a horizontal product is different customers resonate with different stories.

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381.837 - 388.007 Harry Stebbings

How do you think about being a great storyteller when you have such a broad customer base with a horizontal product?

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387.987 - 406.232 Noam Lovinsky

That's an excellent question. Not to like return some of the flattery to you really shows like kind of a depth of understanding that you have that I don't think is always common amongst this crowd. So I appreciate that. I think that you you go to different things, right? You go to what is the feeling that you're trying to create? What is the?

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406.212 - 423.816 Noam Lovinsky

You know, after your your features are delivered, after you solve the kind of the each of the micro problems, what is the overall feeling that you're leaving the customer with? How do they feel supported? How do they feel kind of more in the flow? Whatever you're going, whatever you're going after.

423.796 - 447.525 Noam Lovinsky

I think a good a good example of that is like Instagram, like was Instagram about like the features of the specific problems or was it more about catering to the feeling of the need for vanity? And that's essentially was the kind of the I think the product insight is that, you know, vanity is a much bigger market than than we realized it was, you know, latent demand that kind of tapped into.

447.566 - 451.17 Noam Lovinsky

That's the feeling that you're that you're trying to address.

451.387 - 456.495 Harry Stebbings

What is a bad story that product leaders often tell, do you think, or do you see?

457.156 - 481.554 Noam Lovinsky

I mean, maybe this is like close to my heart right now, but I'm pretty tired of the like, this is going to make you more productive story, or this is going to make you like faster story. I think we like lean to things like time and productivity when we don't know what the value is, what the true value is. And so we're like, well, that's it. That's a catch all. It will save you time.

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