Noam Lovinsky

I mean, I think fundamentally a great product leader is a great storyteller, someone that is able to understand what the customers actually need, what problem that actually needs to be solved.

and can form that into a story that is just well understood and well aligned, not only with the market and the customer, but that gets everyone internally to row in the same direction.

There's all these interesting debates right now about roles collapsing and product and marketing and so on.

I just really don't see these things as separate.

I see product and marketing and, you know, it's the same thing.

And so maybe that's where where this comes from.

I think that fundamentally a good product leader is just an excellent storyteller and the best companies and the best brands are excellent storytellers.

That's an excellent question.

Not to like return some of the flattery to you really shows like kind of a depth of understanding that you have that I don't think is always common amongst this crowd.

So I appreciate that.

I think that you you go to different things, right?

You go to what is the feeling that you're trying to create?

What is the?

You know, after your your features are delivered, after you solve the kind of the each of the micro problems, what is the overall feeling that you're leaving the customer with?

How do they feel supported?

How do they feel kind of more in the flow?

Whatever you're going, whatever you're going after.

I think a good a good example of that is like Instagram, like was Instagram about like the features of the specific problems or was it more about catering to the feeling of the need for vanity?

And that's essentially was the kind of the I think the product insight is that, you know, vanity is a much bigger market than than we realized it was, you know, latent demand that kind of tapped into.

That's the feeling that you're that you're trying to address.