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Noam Shazeer

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And then subsequent TPUs were really designed more around training and also for inference.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

But it may be that, you know, when you have something where you really want to crank up the amount of compute you use at inference time, that even more specialized solutions won't make a lot of sense.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Training or inference?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Oh yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I mean, I think I like to think of it as, is the inference that you're trying to do latency sensitive, like a user's actively waiting for it, or is it kind of a background thing?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And maybe that's,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I have some inference tasks that I'm trying to run over a whole batch of data, but it's not for a particular user.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

It's just I want to run inference on it and extract some information.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And then there's probably a bunch of things that we don't really have very much of right now, but you're seeing inklings of it in our deep research tool that we just released.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I forget exactly when, like a week ago.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

where you can give it a pretty complicated high-level task.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Like, hey, can you go off and research the history of renewable energy and all the trends and costs for wind and solar and other kinds of techniques and put it in a table and give me a full eight-page report?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And it will come back with an eight-page report with like 50 entries in the bibliography.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

It's pretty remarkable.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

But you're not actively waiting for that for one second.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

It takes like, you know, a minute or two to go do that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And I think there's going to be a fair bit of that kind of compute.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And that's the kind of thing where you have some UI questions around, okay, if you're going to have a user with 20 of these kind of asynchronous tasks in the background happening, and maybe each one of them needs to get more information from the user.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Like, I found your flights to Berlin, but there's no nonstop ones.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Are you okay with a nonstop one?