Noel King

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I'm Noelle King.

We're back with The Atlantic's Charlie Warzel.

OK, Charlie, there's a world in which this is just kids being kids.

You call it nihilism in your piece.

But then you point out, others have pointed out, it is not just kids being kids because it is influencing, really, our political leaders.

Tell me what you've seen of this bleeding into politics.

Let me ask you about something that surprised me.