Noel King

So I think of these guys and again, I had a shallow knowledge two weeks ago, but I think of these guys as having right wing politics.

And then I go online one day and I see that Clavicular has said J.D.

Vance could not win an election, a presidential election against Gavin Newsom because Gavin Newsom mogs J.D.

Vance.

He's hotter.

And that might have been nothing, but then I saw people who I take seriously saying, oh, this is really actually a problem for J.D.

Vance, that this influential young guy is calling him fat and ugly.

Forgive me for saying it, but that was what was happening.

And it made me wonder whether, does Clavicular actually have right-wing politics?

What is this brand of commentary?

What is he doing?

Everyone who I've talked to about Clavicular, who knows who he is, who has a son or a nephew, really wants to know if it is too late.

Like if internet nihilism has gotten to the point of no return and this is just where we are now.

Do you think this is our future?

Yeah, living in the world is good.

Charlie Warzel, you can read him at The Atlantic and you can listen to him at Galaxy Brain.

Thanks to the Bulwarks, Will Sommer as well.

Dustin DeSoto, Audio Max, Today's Show.

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David Tadishore and Patrick Boyd, engineered.