Noel King

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Simon Van Zylenwood of New York Magazine is back.

All right, so there is Turning Point USA.

That's Charlie Kirk's group.

And then there is conservatism on college campuses.

And you discovered that these two things are not one and the same.

What does the conservative ecosystem on campuses look like now?

Describe what the more radical thing looks like.

There's a couple moments in your piece where you talk about these events where people stand up and they speak and they're collaborating with each other.

Tell me about that.

We know deep down it's wrong to murder a baby.

Yeah, yeah.

All right, so without looking at the phone, look at me.

What should the penalty be for breaking into America?

I think there should be a system where it's more merit-based.

Are you a voter?