Nora Jones

Because if you say that, okay, we are accommodating, we are building,

bending backward to define a new kind of relationship with you.

And you're met with this kind of very hostile rhetoric.

And indeed, some of the neocons in the White House and the Congress wrote a memo to George W. and saying that, you know,

Iran supposed to be the target of war on terror.

Iran cannot be a part of war on terror.

So you have to change gear.

And, you know, Iran should be the target of this new policy, not a collaborator in real life.

I want to ask you about the new system in Iran.

So my analysis that I'd gleaned from Trita Parsi and others was that while the Ayatollah, the old Ayatollah, was cast in the US as this evil madman, is that he really was kind of a doddering older gentleman who was actually incredibly risk-averse, who didn't either want to go all in or also didn't want – both didn't want to go to war but also didn't want to appear weak and probably put them on the path to where things are today by not making a real decision.

Now, his son is the new Ayatollah.

We have E2, we can put it up there on the screen.

And some of the reporting from the White House right now is that he actually reached a truce with Trump and instructed the foreign minister, the president, and the speaker to pursue some sort of deal with Donald Trump.

What do we know about the new Ayatollah?

I've tried to read it.

There's not a whole lot about him and generally the new, you know, the system that will be in power after this war, if it is indeed a real ceasefire.

Yeah, I mean, we really don't know much about him.

And I read all these reports about him that the assumption is that he's more hawkish, he's close to the IRGC, the Revolutionary Guards.

But, you know, there are many people who were very close to the Revolutionary Guards and it turned out that they were actually...

very liberal-minded and reform-oriented.