Nora Jones

And it's true.

I mean, it's not paranoia.

No, it's literally true.

It's literally true.

You know, there's this little book about the supreme leader that came out a few years back and said that the Iranian supreme leader was so paranoid because he thought that the U.S.

wants to overthrow him.

But, you know, look.

Very rational, yeah.

We don't call that political realism.

But they also, as you said, they also always followed a very pragmatic policies because their number one concern is to maintain their sovereignty and their national interest.

And if you look at their policies in the region,

For example, in the dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia, that Azerbaijan is a Muslim country, Armenia a Christian country, Iran always took the side of Armenia.

That's a good point.

I didn't think about that.

Even in disputes between Pakistan and India, for the most part, Iran always took the side of India.

Because they buy all the oil.

It's truly a very rational, pragmatic understanding of foreign affairs.

And they are not driven by that kind of radical ideology.

Because whenever people say that they're motivated by ideology, it means that they are irrational and they turn the entire Islamic Republic into a suicide bomber.

That they don't care about their own well-being because they're motivated