Norman Foster

So Steve had the ability

to be able to be on his hands and knees worrying about the detail of a plug in a socket and at the same time be sensitive to the big picture.

And I think that there are

relatively few people that you come in contact who have that appreciation of the importance of scale.

Mike Bloomberg, by the way, and I'm not just saying that, is another individual who has in any conversation

will challenge a tiny detail, or like the idea of having a wooden floor.

And then all kinds of things follow from that.

But obviously is a big picture person, which we know and we take for granted.

Lesser so, perhaps,

Mike's ability to challenge a lifting consultant about the elevators and so on.

And I have to say that's fantastic.

I mean, the most interesting individuals to work with are those who challenge.

There's no question.

And the more that you do have that ability to challenge each other in the process, then arguably the better the end result.

I think that some societies, and it's interesting we were talking earlier

about Asia, China.

There is a book called Breakneck by Dan Wang.

And as you know, the thesis behind that book is that China hierarchically is run by engineers and they're about doing things.

And America is run by lawyers and they don't have necessarily

The same impulse.