Norman Foster

The same priorities.

And I think that that's perhaps an extreme example of the fact that some societies, the status is associated with the ability to make of craft.

Switzerland has that.

So in Switzerland, the cabinetmaker, those who make, have that standing in society.

If I go to the United Kingdom on a building site, it's probably likely to be Polish speaking.

Why Polish speaking?

Because those craft skills are still alive and well in Poland and they've been exported.

And we talked...

earlier about that time in 1951 when I was 16.

And was I 16 in that?

Yes.

Now, in the period between now and then,

you had, and this is not a criticism of one particular party or one individual, but Margaret Thatcher, who did a whole number of positive things, one of the negative things was to dismember the industrial base of the United Kingdom.

And not surprisingly, perhaps, then the status of those who make accordingly suffered.

I think that the rather complex answer to your question is that some societies encourage and ennoble.

And I mean, it's interesting.

I mean, my daughter is just graduating from Yale in architecture.

And one of the great things about the Yale School of Architecture is unlike, I think, any school that I know, in the first year they make a building.

They design a building and then they make it.

They actually build it.