Norman Foster

I mean, obviously they have supervision from skilled builders.

And then it's handed over and a family lives in it.

And they see the success or otherwise of their endeavors, which is absolutely fantastic.

And one of the reasons why, and here I...

You know that I'm a graduate of Yale, so I'm a Yale alumni, so I have a certain... But the point that I was going to make was that my daughter called me and said, I just started work on the building.

I'm on a building site.

And she said, you know what?

For the first time, I really appreciate manual workers.

I know what it is.

And it's that.

The making of something, I mean, when you go on a building site, you think, is this ever going to turn into something that can be habitable?

It's muddy boots.

And part of the practice we were talking about, or indeed anything, whether it's here in the foundation doing a project, whether it's in the practice, it's all...

Push, you get on the building site, you get the hard hat on, you get into the factories, you engage with those.

This is not fashionable.

This is not necessarily taught.

Yale School of Architecture, an exception.

And there is a nobility in making, and there should be in the same way, you know, that those who protect us, those who keep us healthy, they should have a much higher standing in society.

No, you're absolutely right.

I think that it's rooted in the birth of the profession, which was always an aristocratic element.