Norman Ohler

And you can see that this actually comes from a time when we were able to organize ourselves without kings.

We don't need kings.

Kings always say,

If you don't have me, then someone else, some other guy will come.

And, but you know, it's, it's, it's this, that's why I, I mean, that's why I'm not, you know, if a nation state makes war against another nation state, I'm not taking a position and saying this country is like better.

Basically the, the both nation states are doing war and who has to suffer is us, you know, is stone sapiens is the human, is the human species.

Well, this is probably the third book that we want to talk about is Tripped because Tripped is an examination of the history of LSD.

And that sounds maybe less interesting than it actually is.

I mean, I find it fascinating.

I had tried LSD.

It was given to me by my girlfriend at the time, Anya.

in lower Manhattan on a Saturday night, 1993.

So I was like 23.

And she said, let's take LSD.

And I'd never really taken any drug.

Like I maybe smoked a bit of weed, but I didn't know what a strong drug is.

And she gave me this paper, and I took it, and we walked around in the East Village, pre-gentrified East Village.

It was pretty cool, actually.

And it didn't work.

For like one hour, I felt nothing, and then I went into the toilet.