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Norman Ohler

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

This is very nerdy, but I think it's quite interesting.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

He had learned biochemistry from the Jewish German god of biochemistry, Wilstetter.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

Richard Wilstetter was Nobel Prize winner for chemistry.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

And his work was he would extract the potent alkaloids from so-called poisonous plants and make poison.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

Paracelsus taught us it's the dosage that makes the poison.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

If you take too much of a potent alkaloid, maybe it's a poison.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

But if you extract a potent alkaloid, maybe you can turn it into a medicine.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

So Stoll learned this from WildstΓ€tter and there was another guy that was learning from WildstΓ€tter, Richard Kuhn.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

So it was Kuhn and Stoll.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

Those were the two students of WildstΓ€tter and Stoll left and became the CEO of Sandoz and developed the pharmaceutical branch of Sandoz and Kuhn.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

became Hitler's leading biochemist and was responsible in finding a truth drug and also developing nerve gas.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

But the two guys, Kuhn and Stoll, stayed friends also when the Nazis took power.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

I researched the papers of Stoll in the archive.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

And in the 20s, he would communicate all the ergot research.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

LSD is an ergot product.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

Ergot is a fungus that grows on rye.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

He would communicate all this with Kuhn and Kuhn would come to the Sandoz lab and they did experiments together.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

And then in 43, Kuhn was, you know, a hardcore Nazi scientist and especially looking for the truth drug at the time.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

And I was looking through the archive.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#481 – Norman Ohler: Hitler, Nazis, Drugs, WW2, Blitzkrieg, LSD, MKUltra & CIA

I wanted to find the connection that, you know, Stoll also sent LSD to Kuhn because he