Norman Ohler

serious archive because they host like all the documents what the SS did in Dachau and so it's a it's an intense experience to go to that archive and actually look at because they wrote down everything like every experiment the Nazis did in concentration camps was like written down because it was like pseudoscience

So I found documents while I was researching Blitz relating to tests with psychoactive substances.

And that was like, that was not what I expected because the Nazis had been, you know, enthusiastic about methamphetamine.

But I'd never, that was the first time I saw like something that related Nazis and psychedelics.

And I thought that's quite strange.

That's quite interesting, obviously.

Yeah.

I need to get to the bottom of this.

So I asked the archivist, can I see like all the documents?

What did the SS actually do with psychedelics?

Which ones did they use?

Why did they test them?

What were they looking for?

And he said, well, I'm very sorry, but all documents are in America because when American military liberated Dachau, one of the things they do is they take a lot of documents and they took all the psychedelic research done by the Nazis with them.

So I knew I had to go to America, probably to the National Archives in College Park, close to Washington, biggest archive in the world, find it there.

But I didn't have time while I was doing Blitzed.

And Blitzed was also already a complete story.

So I thought I save that, that psychedelic theme for another book.

And this other book is now being published as Tripped.

I mean, the joke about Blitz is that I was actually the first one to write about this.