Oisin Rogers

And quite a lot of those pubcos in the sort of early 20th century, you know, right up until the 50s, they'd have 1,000 pubs or some had up to 3,000 pubs.

And that sort of became more commercial.

In the 80s, those pubs started getting traded as lots and bulk.

And then there came like Allied Breweries at one stage had 6,000 pubs.

We still have big operators that come from those breweries.

like Stonegate, like Weatherspoons, like you said, you know, we've got smaller ones in London, like Fuller's and Young's and you've got Mitchell's and Butler's that own the majority of the successful pubs across the country.

Free houses have always been, you know, harder to find and more difficult to run because you don't have the economy of scale.

But I love a free house and I worked for a long time in the managed house business and it was great to work there too.

Prior to opening The Dev, well, go back to me.

I went to university in Dublin in 1986.

I studied chemistry, physics, applied maths.

I was going to become a food tech engineer.

I didn't enjoy university much.

Got a job in a pub called The Stag's Head, part-time.

Loved that more than anything else.

Gave up on university.

And since then, since 1986, I've worked in pubs.

And in 1991, had my first pub in London.

And I've run a lot of pubs in London in that time.

And the Devonshire is the one I'm currently at.