Oliver Conway

We hear from the creator of Calibri after the US State Department bans it.

Millions of dollars pour in but the families never receive the money.

He told us it wasn't successful.

As I understood it, the video just didn't make any money.

The recent American condemnation of Europe's migration policies and praise for nationalism is good news for the national rally in France, which for years has been shunned as far-right extremists.

The party is now led by Jordan Bardella, who is currently favourite to win the French presidential election in 2027.

He has been talking to Nick Robinson for the BBC's Political Thinking podcast.

Listen, I believe there is a wind of freedom and national pride blowing across all major Western democracies.

And it is true that President Trump in the United States was an expression of that current stream of ideas of that great popular movement.

And he managed, I think, by appealing to American pride and the ambition to make the United States a great power again, greater than it already is, around the concept of America first, to reconcile the working class, the American middle class and part of the entrepreneurial elite.

And he has done this, I believe, with a certain degree of success.

Now, Trump defends his country's interests.

What I criticise French leaders for, and European leaders more broadly, is for not defending their country's interests strongly enough.

It is true that Trump was giving a nod to patriotic parties around the world, and I welcome that with a certain goodwill.

But as for me, I wish to defend the interests of my country tomorrow.

I do not like this vassalisation of Europe towards any great power.

However, it is true that mass immigration and the laxity of our leaders over the past 30 years regarding migration policies are today disrupting the power balance of European societies, Western societies and particularly the French society.

You call it a cliché about your party.

It's a fact.

Your party was a racist party.