Oliver Conway

I reject these accusations because there has never been, in the DNA or in the proposal of the National Front, now the National Rally, any statements or proposals intending to harm or offend groups of people in my country.

However, it is true that there were remarks by Jean-Marie Le Pen which eventually caused a political rupture between the party's founder and Marine Le Pen, then its president.

On the key issue of fighting anti-Semitism, she judged that Jean-Marie Le Pen's ambiguities and verbal provocations were dragging the entire political movement into an unacceptable situation.

And so in 2015, Marine Le Pen, as I remind you, took the responsibility, an extremely difficult personal decision, of expelling her own father from the National Front.

The French National Rally leader Jordan Bardella.

It's not just America's national security strategy that's changing under Donald Trump.

It's the typeface used to present it as well.

The US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, has ordered diplomats to return to using Times New Roman for official communications.

His predecessor in the Biden administration opted for Calibri because apparently its lack of decorative angular features made it more accessible for people with disabilities.

And it was a Microsoft Office default setting.

Mr Rubio called it a wasteful diversity move.

Lucas de Groot is the Danish type designer who came up with Calibri.

Sean Lay asked him for his reaction.

It's a hilarious and sad news item.

I really don't understand it.

Do you think Calibri is woke in any way?

No.

I mean, it was designed to facilitate reading on modern computer screens, and it was chosen to replace Times New Roman, the typeface that Rubio wants to go back to now, in 2007.

Calibri was designed to work well in tiny sizes and on coarse office screens, which it still does, much better than Times New Roman.

It's especially meant for reading long pieces of text on screen, so the rhythm is great.