Oliver Sim

We'd done a version of this song with Diplo, who is the most exciting person ever to us.

I think we'd done another version with a producer called Lex, but it wasn't quite right because I think the space in the music often ended up being filled by that person's sound and their signature.

We didn't think it was an option for Jamie to produce until we had worked with other people.

It's those tumbling, rumbling drums.

I remember you like tapping on a table to kind of like get the idea across.

There is just always a part of me that winces when I listen back to that because I almost don't recognize that person.

It has an element of like finding like an old diary from being a teenager.

You know, that is not how I sound today.

When we recorded that, I was 18 and I'm 36 now.

So I'm 18 years later.

So we did sing it at the same time.

There you go.

Oh, that's a nice discovery.

Mine is things have gotten closer to the sun and I've done things in small doses.

So don't think that I'm pushing you away when you're the one that I've kept closest.

In hindsight, the song to me is the avoidant and the anxious.

That moment feels like a moment of conflict with the resolution of coming back together and singing in unison.

The person in the relationship that feels scared of intimacy takes a step back.

And then the other person in the relationship who feels scared by that step back takes a step forward and that kind of like cat and mouse chase, which is all too frequent because I think those two characters often attract one another.

Without getting too therapy and personal, I definitely relate to that anxious role.