Oliver Trevena

Man wipes. But yeah, it's tough. But I'm glad, you know, we've started to get nice momentum now. And we've, you know, we're growing and growing. And I think that's a lot to do with the fact that, you know, we really focus on the product first.

Man wipes. But yeah, it's tough. But I'm glad, you know, we've started to get nice momentum now. And we've, you know, we're growing and growing. And I think that's a lot to do with the fact that, you know, we really focus on the product first.

And now we have kids pouches as well, which is amazing.

And now we have kids pouches as well, which is amazing.

So basically I should have come and done this podcast about two years, three years ago, and then I would have been fine.

So basically I should have come and done this podcast about two years, three years ago, and then I would have been fine.

I mean, I've enjoyed it and I've not enjoyed it. I think the enjoyable part is I generally like to pay it forward. Like I would not have a business if people didn't believe in me. And I like hearing a founder and believing in their vision. I think it has to be what I've learned, right? Because I've had investments go wrong is the founder has to know how hard it's going to be.

I mean, I've enjoyed it and I've not enjoyed it. I think the enjoyable part is I generally like to pay it forward. Like I would not have a business if people didn't believe in me. And I like hearing a founder and believing in their vision. I think it has to be what I've learned, right? Because I've had investments go wrong is the founder has to know how hard it's going to be.

I've invested in what I think is some of the most incredible stuff and it just fell apart because the founder just wasn't in it. And I've invested in things that had the potential, but the founder wouldn't step away. And I learned a lot through that, which is why when I did Caliwater, as soon as I had the momentum, I was like, I'm getting a president. And I work for my president.

I've invested in what I think is some of the most incredible stuff and it just fell apart because the founder just wasn't in it. And I've invested in things that had the potential, but the founder wouldn't step away. And I learned a lot through that, which is why when I did Caliwater, as soon as I had the momentum, I was like, I'm getting a president. And I work for my president.

He tells me what I need to do for him because he knows beverage. I don't know beverage. And I think that's what I've learned is like the ego of a founder can really crush. It doesn't matter how good the product is, how innovative it is, how creative it is, how brilliant it is.

He tells me what I need to do for him because he knows beverage. I don't know beverage. And I think that's what I've learned is like the ego of a founder can really crush. It doesn't matter how good the product is, how innovative it is, how creative it is, how brilliant it is.

without the right founder evil evil to run the company or to step away from the company when it's time it will crush it and that's why you know i've had some that have done well and some that you know haven't gone under touchwood but i've kind of wrote off my investment you know like i'm like if i probably never see this money again um i'm close to saying which ones they are but maybe i shouldn't um

without the right founder evil evil to run the company or to step away from the company when it's time it will crush it and that's why you know i've had some that have done well and some that you know haven't gone under touchwood but i've kind of wrote off my investment you know like i'm like if i probably never see this money again um i'm close to saying which ones they are but maybe i shouldn't um

But it's it's been it's been interesting. It's been interesting. But I'm grateful for the lessons because that every every, you know, investment I made and learned led me up to then when I founded a company, what I wanted to do and what I didn't want to do, you know. So, you know, there's always there's always a value in the lessons, whether they're good or bad.

But it's it's been it's been interesting. It's been interesting. But I'm grateful for the lessons because that every every, you know, investment I made and learned led me up to then when I founded a company, what I wanted to do and what I didn't want to do, you know. So, you know, there's always there's always a value in the lessons, whether they're good or bad.

And I like to enjoy what I invest in. That's the other key. Because then you're in, like, I love going to Next Health. I enjoy it, you know? Worst case, if for some reason, I mean, that company's doing incredibly well, but if worst case something happened, I've enjoyed it. I've had a good run, you know? So enjoy what you're investing in as well.

And I like to enjoy what I invest in. That's the other key. Because then you're in, like, I love going to Next Health. I enjoy it, you know? Worst case, if for some reason, I mean, that company's doing incredibly well, but if worst case something happened, I've enjoyed it. I've had a good run, you know? So enjoy what you're investing in as well.

it's really ready to go to war 100% and to your point that's exactly what I've been learning it's like there's stress in the beginning it's stressful to launch then it's stressful when you launch then as you get bigger it's more stressful and then as you continue to like scale it's

it's really ready to go to war 100% and to your point that's exactly what I've been learning it's like there's stress in the beginning it's stressful to launch then it's stressful when you launch then as you get bigger it's more stressful and then as you continue to like scale it's