Olivia Rodrigo

Yeah, it's just having a little space totally changes your perspective on it.

But yeah, I'm really proud of both of those records.

Even stuff where I'm like, oh God, that song could have like, I could have lived without that song.

It just, you know, I don't think I'll ever regret like writing honestly about where I am in my life.

And I'll always have like compassion and love for.

Yeah.

I was going to say, so you hear them both as art, but also as documents of like the intensity of the experiences.

For sure.

This album feels very settled to me.

Like obviously you're going through an emotional arc, but you have clarity about that emotional arc.

It's not, you're not zigzagging.

You're kind of like, I think I, I think I see what's happening here.

Even if what I'm seeing is bad and ugly.

Even if it was tough, but it's like, I see what's going on here.

And does that track with how you live off the album, like, is that when you're talking to your friends, do you feel like much more lucid as an assessor of the world?

Yeah.

Tell me about that.

God, for sure.

But I just think that that's growing up.

It's like, it's an interesting thing to grow up with the people who listen to my music.