Olivia Rodrigo

Like, I feel like we're kind of around the same age, like going through the same things and just like the lucidity that I see things with.

But it's not unique to me.

Like, none of it is.

So like, I just, I think you just collect so many experiences that you kind of...

know yourself more and know the world more.

And I don't know.

Every album, though, I feel like I'm learning about myself, but I'm also, like, learning how to write songs every album.

I don't think I'll ever feel like, okay, I know how to do this.

Like, perfect.

I got this.

I, like, I know exactly what I want this to be.

Like, every time I sit down to write a song, I feel like I'm learning it for the first time.

And I think that that's what keeps it, like, exciting and fun as a creative person is, like...

There's never, I have like tips and tricks and I like know all the pop songwriting tricks that you're supposed to do and all that stuff.

But I just really feel like I'm like endlessly learning.

And that's what I'm so grateful that I get to do this job and just like keep being curious about stuff.

One thing that I really enjoyed about this album, there are two songs that are on opposite ends of the album that both feel really unadorned.

So it's like you're approaching both this part on Honey Bee and then I think it's, is it less on this one?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.