Olivia Rodrigo

And-

I'm like, okay, so there's a aesthetic choice here that's similar, but different sentiments.

And I wonder how you think about the pairing of the sentiment of the emotion of the lyric with the production choices.

And how do you know when it's time to deliver the restrain thing and when it's time to be like, we're going straight to the new wave or we're going straight to the pop-up.

Dan and I love to like throw shit at the wall.

And I think also this record,

the feeling of like being like intoxicated with love for someone, it feels very rich and like orchestral and like honeybee.

There's so much in there.

There's like a choir and there's a, you know, string section and there's this like beautiful like piano in it.

And there's just so much, it's like feels really rich.

And cause that's how it felt at the time.

You know what I mean?

That's what it felt to be in love.

I think a song like less, um,

was added, obviously, later in the album-making process.

And I think, yeah, it was us trying to practice a little bit of restraint.

We were also trying to practice a little bit of restraint with the last song, and we were like, oh, it just needs a big bridge.

Yeah.

I was talking to, do you guys know Wise Blood?

She's so great.