Olivia Rodrigo

And she sang on SNL with me.

She has one of the greatest voices.

She's angelic, beautiful, wonderful person.

But I was talking to her about it and she just turned in a new record.

She's like, yeah, it's so funny.

I like tried so much different stuff and tried to like explore so much and you just like always go back to like what you're good at at the end of the day sometimes too.

Which I think that there was just a part of me I was like, I just want to write a singer-songwriter song that's like classic and that's like

sort of my sensibilities sometimes and I love exploring and doing other stuff but like that's sort of um like 12 year old Olivia fell in love with songwriting for songs like that and so um I really like that one I think that was maybe the first song on the album Honey Bee and um

It was like one of those ideas just like at home and I like wrote the whole thing on piano and just thought like, wow, like I feel like I really expressed something that was so hard to describe.

And in the context of the album, I find it to be actually the saddest song on the album.

I find it to actually be devastating, which is really, it's, you seem pretty sad for a girl so in love, like to a T. It's this like...

It's this love song that's filled with so much hope, but also like a sort of knowing.

You know, you're right.

It's like it's the music playing in the background.

Exactly.

The crash is on the other side.

But yeah.

All I want is love that lasts is all I want to.

Fiona Apple was always my like yearner piano queen.

I got really into Tori Amos while I was making Guts because I felt like she was like a piano yearner, but it also felt like edgy and rock.