Olivia Rodrigo

I love music and like nobody can like,

Take that away.

That's so cheesy.

But like, I love music and I feel so lucky that I get to do what I do.

And I like love so many songs.

And, you know, I've grown up being surrounded with awesome music and awesome bands.

And like, I truly just...

do feel so lucky and I love writing songs and like that's just I would be writing songs if nobody listened and everyone hated it and everyone thought I was bad I would still be writing songs because it's what I like love to do but I like that you call yourself a fangirl because I feel like some artists especially at your level are

You gotta be a fan.

It's so boring to not be a fan of music.

There's so much good music to be a fan of.

Yeah.

And it's like, but you weave it into your songwriting, probably, you know, just like the act of being enthusiastic about music is often in your songs, a proxy for the act of being enthusiastic about a person.

Yeah.

I mean, I think to Joe's point, like, I do think people wonder those things that were tough for you early in your career, did that leave a frost between you and other songwriters?

Is there a frost between you and Taylor?

Like, is that something that hovers over your mind?

Is it something that you think is a construction of the people who are doing internet detective work?

How do you view that now that you're a few years removed from the initial kind of, like, ruptures?

Um, I don't know.