Olivia

Later on, whenever shit kind of hit the fan, he relied on that loyalty a lot.

I do think in a lot of ways that it was grooming.

I know that towards the end, especially when the situation with him and Miranda occurred, he relied on me to protect his image very heavily.

How long were you in the program before you met Miranda?

She

was a general studies major, I'm pretty sure, for one semester.

So we met the spring of freshman year.

We were in the same year.

There was a play our sophomore year that I was on the crew for, and she had a friend in it.

And I think at that point, she hadn't officially made...

the decision to transfer in to the department, but she was either thinking about it or like, in process with it.

I met her in passing.

Other friends who were very close to Cato would tell me like, he really wants you and this new girl Miranda to be in his play next year.

And so I knew immediately that like, we would probably end up spending a lot of time together.

But we didn't get to know each other until the next fall whenever we were in that play.

My advice at that time probably would have been do everything you can to work with Cato.

Now my advice would be to like focus on making friends and learning how to build a community because I feel like we really lacked that in college because we were so isolated because of everything that was happening that we didn't get that experience in a lot of ways.

And I feel like we lost out on a lot of time with our peers because of that.

Yes.

We took the class at different times, but we did it very frequently together when we were in his shows.