Chapter 1: What content warnings are relevant for this episode?
Something Was Wrong is intended for mature audiences and discusses topics that may be upsetting. Please consume the following episodes with care. This season discusses sexual, physical and psychological violence. For a full content warning, sources and resources for each episode, please visit the episode notes.
Opinions shared by guests of the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Broken Cycle Media. The podcast and any linked materials should not be misconstrued as a substitution for legal or medical advice. We reached out to Professor Cato Buss and the University of Central Oklahoma for comment in response to allegations in the weeks prior to this episode's release.
We have not received a response. Thank you so much for listening.
Previously on Something Was Wrong...
By my last semester in school, the veil had been completely lifted and I had no interest in seeing him at all once I had graduated. I then decided that I wanted to file a Title IX complaint against him.
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Chapter 2: What personal experiences led to filing a Title IX complaint?
She asked, do you remember a few years ago when all that Title IX shit happened? And I said, yes. And she was like, well, all of it was true. I offered to be a witness if she wanted me to be.
The first time we filed the Title IX report, Miranda did not feel comfortable disclosing that this relationship was happening, and now she's going to. And again, the adults in my life, they didn't have all the information, and they're going to do the right thing now. And Kato is not going to have access to these young girls.
Within a month, my life was the same. His life was, as far as I know, pretty much the same. Nothing changed. Emily, who was Olivia's professor advocate at UCO, Emily's distant cousin, Sheila, took on our case. We had a few Zoom meetings with Sheila about the process of Title IX and the implications of our suit. They submitted the complaint in May of 2021.
Here's Olivia.
There were seven plaintiffs in our lawsuit, me and Miranda, our professor that was my faculty liaison, and then several other girls, including Morgan, who had experienced sexual harassment or like inappropriate behavior, retaliation from Cato.
It was originally that professor's idea to start the lawsuit because after Title IX did nothing and she was still working there, she didn't lose her job, but pretty much lost her job over it. We met with the attorney and again, we felt like this person really wants to help us. She felt confident that the case was really strong.
Miranda felt really good about having a new chance at getting some sort of resolution to this. But that process was genuinely fucking humiliating. It was so awful. Essentially, what ended up happening was the lawsuit got filed. It got picked up by the media. It was everywhere.
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Chapter 3: How did the Title IX complaint process unfold for the plaintiffs?
His face was on the news. And it was being shared by everybody that we knew from college, not from college. And there were a couple... articles that were being shared that like names weren't redacted. And so for Miranda, she felt really mortified because we knew that it would be in the press, but we didn't understand how that would feel.
So that day that it got picked up, I was at work and I saw the email from our attorney and texted Miranda. She was also at work and we both left, immediately came to my house. I have never seen Miranda like that in my life. It was horrifying. heartbreaking. That whole day and like weeks that followed, it would bubble up every now and again where people would start sharing it.
Bunches of people dropped out and they were having meetings about it and protests. It was a whole thing. It was hard because I think she felt in a lot of ways that all these people that weren't even her friends in college suddenly now
cared so much about it but never cared to like reach out or say anything whenever they noticed that he was inappropriate with her but also just having your most intimately traumatizing experience publicized like that with your name on it was something that I don't think that she could have ever prepared for or really any of us could have ever prepared for and as a friend watching her experience that it's almost like there was nothing that I could say to make that better for her
And we were all dealing with it in our own way because everybody's name was on it. But the details that she shared were a lot different than the details everybody else had shared. It was a really isolating time for all of the people involved, but especially for Miranda.
When the media coverage came out, did other people come forward or did you have people in your life that were sharing with you red flags that they saw?
No, not really. I think Miranda did. But I kind of went ghost whenever this all happened. Like my way of dealing with it has been, I just want it to be over. It was really hard.
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Chapter 4: What was the public and media response to the lawsuit?
And most of why it was hard for me, honestly, was because seeing Miranda like that was really difficult. And I just wanted whatever resolution was going to be best for everybody. I had one person from the university reach out to like ask me to talk about it for something or ask my permission about sharing parts of it. And I didn't respond. I left the university.
I dipped as soon as the lawsuit became public because I felt really unsafe there. It isn't just something that happened to me. So many of us have this tiny little part in this whole big story because I think it goes far beyond the time that I was there and the time that Miranda was there.
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After the Title IX findings came back that essentially nothing was going to happen, Miranda came to me and said, hey, I have been discussing this with the lawyer and I want to know if you would be willing to participate in it. I believe UCO's Title IX department did not protect us. Of course, I agreed to be a part of the lawsuit. What was that process like?
So we all had to write a statement detailing what happened with Cato and what we experienced. A bunch of women came together and shared a very similar experience without communicating between each other. Then we had a few meetings with lawyers and they filed. It was during COVID, so it was all Zoom meetings.
And then it was a lot of waiting and then UCO moving to dismiss because, of course, they did.
When the story broke in the media, when the lawsuit was filed, what was the public response like and what was that experience like from your perspective?
I think with the students at UCO, this time around, we actually had a lot of support. I remember students protesting, showing up at the dean's office and demanding that Cato be fired or removed from his position. I remember having a lot of support from the students in the theater department. Social media was a bit of a different story.
It's absolutely terrifying to have some of your like deepest trauma put in this black and white document that anyone can read through and come to their own determination about. So I spent a lot of time scrolling and obsessing and reading any negative comment because of course your brain wants to zero in on that. It was just so many emotions.
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Chapter 5: How did the Supreme Court ruling impact the case?
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Here's Morgan.
I was contacted by Rihanna. This would have been mid-2021. She reached out to me and said that I should get in contact with Emily regarding a possible Title IX case. I didn't know what all it had to do with or who all was involved, but I reached out to Emily because I was curious, and she told me to call her, and I did. And that's when she informed me about Miranda and Olivia's report.
in 2020 and how UCO brushed it off. I was like, oh, been there. Emily really didn't know much about my story. She, I think at one point, had heard some rumors about it or had seen something online and she asked Kato about it and he said that there was a Title IX investigation regarding me and an inappropriate joke he made is what Emily told him.
She told me that she thought she had access to a lawyer who would take our case, who was very good at these types of cases and was very familiar with them. I was like, yeah, sure, I'm in. Because at that point, I felt like I had already told my story and nothing had happened. I had already been exiled from the community. And so I really had nothing to lose.
At that point, what could they do to me? I was graduated.
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Chapter 6: What emotional challenges did the plaintiffs face during the lawsuit?
Everyone already knew, as far as I thought, my story and no one gave a shit. So sure, I'll write my story again and put it in a lawsuit. And so that's how I was named as one of the plaintiffs. The lawyer, she was very thorough with me. She got the information that she needed. I sent her my statements. I sent her all of the documents that I had gotten from UCO.
I thought the process was relatively easy. We signed the form. I really wasn't expecting any sort of payout. She said that if it looked like we were going to go to trial, that it would take a long time and that it would be a big process. I reached out to Olivia and Miranda in particular. Those were the two that I felt like this entire situation had negatively affected our relationship.
And so I remember reaching out to both of them and kind of just clearing the air and telling my side of what happened. They told their side of what happened and we really connected some dots.
What did it feel like when the story broke into the media after the initial lawsuit was filed?
I was very nervous for it to drop because I'm a speech and debate and theater educator. I didn't know how it was going to affect my job or my ability to interact with the community. But as far as the specifics, I had already told my story. I felt like this was a chance for me to kind of be like, see, I did tell y'all that this was happening. We got some comments from people in the department.
A lot of people reached out to me and apologized. A lot of people said that they were with us. I thought that some sort of justice was going to be served. I thought that someone was going to be held responsible. I knew that we weren't suing Cato, that we were suing
UCO and the institution and I think it was the lawsuit that made me realize more that it wasn't just Cato that had failed us it was a lot of people that let us down and I thought that that was going to change. The lawsuit dropped in May of 2021. When the university didn't fire him, I knew that there was not going to be any real protection for the students.
Here's Miranda.
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Chapter 7: What lessons do the guests want to share about institutional accountability?
After we filed, the university pretty quickly, after the fact, filed a motion to dismiss, which she had anticipated. Sheila and her team, this was in 2021, in October, had submitted a motion to strike the dismissal. And that was as far as the case went. I'll just read what our lawyer sent to us. May of 2022, she said...
As you know, we have been in a holding pattern for months because of the court's rules against proceeding with discovery while a motion to dismiss is pending. I've been watching with interest, as you know I have, the protests and escalating outcry from UCO students. Our firm has also filed another Title IX case on behalf of a current UCO student arising out of a sexual assault.
The heat has definitely been rising for UCO. Unfortunately, I'm writing today to inform you of an unexpected decision by the United States Supreme Court that significantly impacts your claims. Late last week, the Supreme Court ruled that damages for emotional distress are not available under four federal statutes bearing race, sex, and disability discrimination, including Title IX.
She's talking about like the case in which this was ruled. Although the plaintiff in this case sued for disability discrimination under the Rehabilitation Act, and the Affordable Care Act, the Supreme Court acknowledged that the decision applied equally to Title VI, which bars discrimination on basis of race and Title IX.
Reasoning that these four statutes operate as a contract between the federal government and the institution receiving federal funds, the court held that the recipient of the funds can only be liable for damages generally available for breach of contract.
Therefore, because emotional distress damages are generally not a remedy available under contract law, the Supreme Court concluded that such damages are not available under these discrimination statutes. The decision represents a radical departure for Title IX case law and has left lawyers and advocacy groups reeling.
For decades, courts have operated under the assumption that emotional distress damages were available under Title IX. Indeed, in many cases, emotional distress damages were the only damages sought and awarded. While discussions are underway to determine the best course of action to address the decision on a national level, we are concerned about the impact this decision will have on your claims.
We've already received a motion to dismiss a Title IX claim for emotional distress based on the decision filed by a defendant. University, in another case we're handling, we anticipate UCL will file a similar motion. We're evaluating our strategy, including considering whether we can amend our complaint to bring claims under another theory.
Please know that we are working on this from every possible angle, and we will keep you posted. Then we had a very sad meeting where we discussed everything. We talked a bit more in depth about this and the implication, meaning that it was likely to never go anywhere. She didn't really get back to us with any ideas on how else to file or what we should do.
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Chapter 8: How has this experience shaped the guests' views on trust and healing?
So it was just like sitting there and nothing happened.
So it sounds like you were working against not only statute of limitations, but the Supreme Court ruling of 2022. Yeah.
Morgan found an article recently that said that the case was officially dropped, but they never informed us. It's from, I think it's like a lawyer magazine. It says, after a nearly two year gap in court filings, a separate lawsuit filed by six former UCO theater students alleging the university failed to protect them from sexual harassment by Kato Buss.
It was jointly dismissed by the plaintiffs and the university in February. We had no idea. No one told us that we were choosing to dismiss it because the article specifically says a joint dismissal. We didn't decide to do that, but I guess they did. People protested at the university a little bit, and the attention from the lawsuit did pull him out of teaching a lot of classes.
As of today, right now, he still teaches classes online. I don't think he teaches in person, but he's still tenured and employed by university. So culturally, it did do some good because it did remove him from a lot of his power at the university, which is great. The lawsuit kind of went nowhere. It was just attention from the public that did that.
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