Olly Headey

maybe C sharp, maybe, because it was Microsoft, I can't remember. But those are kind of the libraries and the SDKs that they offer. They don't offer Ruby, which is a shame, but there are gems that kind of wrap this stuff up. And so that was quite interesting. But then some of the functionality that, I mean, AI is not my thing really, but I was kind of toying around with this stuff.

maybe C sharp, maybe, because it was Microsoft, I can't remember. But those are kind of the libraries and the SDKs that they offer. They don't offer Ruby, which is a shame, but there are gems that kind of wrap this stuff up. And so that was quite interesting. But then some of the functionality that, I mean, AI is not my thing really, but I was kind of toying around with this stuff.

And Python does have a wealth of these libraries to do a lot of machine learning algorithms, which Ruby doesn't really quite have. I mean, there are people that are creating similar libraries out there for some of this stuff, but it always feels, I don't know, not quite there. From an AI point of view, depending if you're just calling APIs, of course, fine.

And Python does have a wealth of these libraries to do a lot of machine learning algorithms, which Ruby doesn't really quite have. I mean, there are people that are creating similar libraries out there for some of this stuff, but it always feels, I don't know, not quite there. From an AI point of view, depending if you're just calling APIs, of course, fine.

You can do that from anything, but if you're then trying to do some stuff yourself using the cut, then it doesn't quite feel like the right choice, but maybe that's changing. I it's only superficial knowledge that I really have of that. Um, but I can't think of really off the top of my head, other, other examples.

You can do that from anything, but if you're then trying to do some stuff yourself using the cut, then it doesn't quite feel like the right choice, but maybe that's changing. I it's only superficial knowledge that I really have of that. Um, but I can't think of really off the top of my head, other, other examples.

I mean, there was this PDF thing that, I mean, that was a very good example where you just couldn't. we're going to do it with prawn or something, whereas we were using Java libraries that actually did proper PDF rendering. But there were other ways we could have tackled that, but we chose the the different tech path, as opposed to finding a Ruby way to do that.

I mean, there was this PDF thing that, I mean, that was a very good example where you just couldn't. we're going to do it with prawn or something, whereas we were using Java libraries that actually did proper PDF rendering. But there were other ways we could have tackled that, but we chose the the different tech path, as opposed to finding a Ruby way to do that.

I'm sure there are lots of other examples, but I think where Rails does seem to shine is when it's much more of a, well, people call them crud apps, don't they? It's kind of a bit demeaning. It's like the agent is a crud app. Yeah, I guess. It's like, you know, you take some input and you save it to a database.

I'm sure there are lots of other examples, but I think where Rails does seem to shine is when it's much more of a, well, people call them crud apps, don't they? It's kind of a bit demeaning. It's like the agent is a crud app. Yeah, I guess. It's like, you know, you take some input and you save it to a database.

But at the same time, like, come on, there's like half a million lines of code doing lots of stuff. But I guess it's a crud app, you could say. Same with, you know, Basecamp as well. Crud app. And what isn't? Notion's a crud app, isn't it? I don't know. So that's, who knows? So a crud app, I'm a bit like, hang on. That's everything at some level, isn't it?

But at the same time, like, come on, there's like half a million lines of code doing lots of stuff. But I guess it's a crud app, you could say. Same with, you know, Basecamp as well. Crud app. And what isn't? Notion's a crud app, isn't it? I don't know. So that's, who knows? So a crud app, I'm a bit like, hang on. That's everything at some level, isn't it?

Part of maybe chat GPT or something, but we're not building that.

Part of maybe chat GPT or something, but we're not building that.

Yeah, and I think that's entirely the right approach. But yeah, good to hear there's, you know, more startups that I mean, a lot of people building like indie hacks, which is kind of like another kind of release derogatory terms, but actually kind of, that's where everything starts in a way. You know, using rails, it's just, you know, a lot that I've seen. So

Yeah, and I think that's entirely the right approach. But yeah, good to hear there's, you know, more startups that I mean, a lot of people building like indie hacks, which is kind of like another kind of release derogatory terms, but actually kind of, that's where everything starts in a way. You know, using rails, it's just, you know, a lot that I've seen. So

you know hopefully we'll kind of see i think this is where like the rails foundation does come into play you know there's a lot of money there um and they're doing some cool stuff there's obviously the conferences um and the guides looking a lot better now but for me it's like the outreach and and how how can the rails foundation just um get people at an earlier stage and

you know hopefully we'll kind of see i think this is where like the rails foundation does come into play you know there's a lot of money there um and they're doing some cool stuff there's obviously the conferences um and the guides looking a lot better now but for me it's like the outreach and and how how can the rails foundation just um get people at an earlier stage and

in their career, I guess, and even boot camps and the rest of it to start using Rails, because boot camps did do Rails back in the day, and now they have tended to move, from what I understand, to more of a JavaScript ecosystem, which feels, I don't know, I mean, to put yourself in the place of someone on a boot camp who doesn't know anything about programming and all of a sudden you're having to do React, it sounds...

in their career, I guess, and even boot camps and the rest of it to start using Rails, because boot camps did do Rails back in the day, and now they have tended to move, from what I understand, to more of a JavaScript ecosystem, which feels, I don't know, I mean, to put yourself in the place of someone on a boot camp who doesn't know anything about programming and all of a sudden you're having to do React, it sounds...