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Welcome back to more of my conversation. Several things I thought were defining moments. There is a story where the nun punishes you and you run across the street to home thinking your mother is going to stand up for you.

Welcome back to more of my conversation. Several things I thought were defining moments. There is a story where the nun punishes you and you run across the street to home thinking your mother is going to stand up for you.

Well, another huge defining moment, I thought, was I couldn't believe this, that your mom didn't stand up for you in this moment. Tell us the dress story.

Well, another huge defining moment, I thought, was I couldn't believe this, that your mom didn't stand up for you in this moment. Tell us the dress story.

Well, another huge defining moment, I thought, was I couldn't believe this, that your mom didn't stand up for you in this moment. Tell us the dress story.

No, it set up a lot of guilt, Tina, because the nun said to you, you're a mean little girl. You don't want to give your dress to her. So, I mean, I think for the nuns to set you up to lead you to believe that you're going to be the little girl that's going to be a part of that ceremony, you come with the dress and they say now you have to give the dress to the other person. Right.

No, it set up a lot of guilt, Tina, because the nun said to you, you're a mean little girl. You don't want to give your dress to her. So, I mean, I think for the nuns to set you up to lead you to believe that you're going to be the little girl that's going to be a part of that ceremony, you come with the dress and they say now you have to give the dress to the other person. Right.

No, it set up a lot of guilt, Tina, because the nun said to you, you're a mean little girl. You don't want to give your dress to her. So, I mean, I think for the nuns to set you up to lead you to believe that you're going to be the little girl that's going to be a part of that ceremony, you come with the dress and they say now you have to give the dress to the other person. Right.

I mean, that is devastating.

I mean, that is devastating.

I mean, that is devastating.

Especially when you're a little girl.

Especially when you're a little girl.

Especially when you're a little girl.

Yeah. But again, I can see where that moment of the nun saying, you're mean and you're so selfish would also instill in you this whole, I'm not good enough, I'm not worthy, I don't belong, which is the first thing that she was trying to tell you. You know what I thought when I was reading? I said, they knew you were cute. They knew that your mother was a major contributor to the school.

Yeah. But again, I can see where that moment of the nun saying, you're mean and you're so selfish would also instill in you this whole, I'm not good enough, I'm not worthy, I don't belong, which is the first thing that she was trying to tell you. You know what I thought when I was reading? I said, they knew you were cute. They knew that your mother was a major contributor to the school.

Yeah. But again, I can see where that moment of the nun saying, you're mean and you're so selfish would also instill in you this whole, I'm not good enough, I'm not worthy, I don't belong, which is the first thing that she was trying to tell you. You know what I thought when I was reading? I said, they knew you were cute. They knew that your mother was a major contributor to the school.

And as you say in matriarch, that your parents were like your whole family was like indentured servants to that school. Everybody's working and cleaning the yard and your father's driving for them and your mother's making every single thing in the church for them. So I think that they were jealous of you. Don't you think that?

And as you say in matriarch, that your parents were like your whole family was like indentured servants to that school. Everybody's working and cleaning the yard and your father's driving for them and your mother's making every single thing in the church for them. So I think that they were jealous of you. Don't you think that?

And as you say in matriarch, that your parents were like your whole family was like indentured servants to that school. Everybody's working and cleaning the yard and your father's driving for them and your mother's making every single thing in the church for them. So I think that they were jealous of you. Don't you think that?