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And it's profound.

And needed.

The fourth is music.

Yep.

We talked about that.

Fifth is visual design.

I thought that was interesting, like great architecture or paintings.

Even though we don't even know that's what we're detecting.

And then spiritual or religious experiences?

Yeah.

Tell us about that.

Well, also that brings us to number eight, which is epiphanies or suddenly understanding the essential truths about life, which is what happened to you also with your brother in that space, right?

When he was dying.

This has to be physically good, actually physically good for us too.

I mean, I would think your blood pressure goes down, all the other things in your body that need to mellow out and chill.

When you're experiencing, if you've had an awesome moment or an awe-filled moment, that it would change your neuro system.

And how is it different than gratitude?

Because I've had a gratitude practice

uh for decades now where i do five things i have volumes of gratitude journals i'm constantly always even when i'm just walking around you know my property here in a state of gratitude appreciation uh reverence yeah but

Awe is something different.