Or Weiss

And obviously a lot of stakes.

And I also, in that specific incident, I ended up running into a bug that kind of thwarted our endeavors initially.

And we really tore our minds to find where it is.

And it ended up being a vulnerability in Windows itself, in the operating system.

And I think seven years later or so, it was announced as a CVE.

But before that, it was unknown.

So we both had to dive deep into the stack and also handle those high stakes.

And those kind of situations, I think, really taught me a lot about taking software to the edge, into the extreme cases and making the best out of it.

Not just cyber attacks.

So 8200 is essentially the equivalent of the NSA.

It's just not a civilian body.

It's a military entity, but otherwise it's exactly the same.

I even got to work a bit with the NSA as part of my service, which is cool.

It's very interesting to see the differences between the two.

And what's unique about 8200 is it gets its first pick out of the draftees into the IDF.

And it's fully independent.

It's structured in a way.

So if the entire IDF, if the entire state of Israel crumbles to dust, it should still be able to function on its own.

And that also creates a lot of interesting mechanics within the organization.

That's a separate body.