Oswald Oschin

Already, by the way, the call center landscape and the customer service landscape has been transformed by AI.

There's just so much more.

In some cases, they're building systems for automated scripts that people are reading in real time to help train the AI.

They're reading the AI scripts.

It's all this really...

Sort of, I don't know, dystopian tech.

I just think when we talk about the permanent underclass, we need to be clear who's actually at risk and who feels most at risk.

And I think a lot of people who feel most at risk are not ultimately at risk.

You know, these are entrepreneurial people.

These are middle class people.

These are incredible journalists that will always have a job and a career because they're a brilliant knowledge worker at the top of their game.

I just think like...

I think a lot of people are a lot more insulated from these effects than they might feel.

And they're getting very hyped up.

Part of the fact that they're even planning or aware of the concept of this technological change and planning for it, I think is actually proof that they probably will not be part of the permanent underclass.

But it's causing a lot of anxiety across wide ranges of workers.

I think the FOMO point is real here.

We're talking about trying to swap your house for pre-IPO anthropic stock, right?

Like the discourse about the permanent underclass is being generated by people who live in Silicon Valley and are seeing people around them swap their houses for pre-IPO anthropic secondaries, right?

So there's a kind of... But Oz, it's also being generated by us, like in the media.