Oti Mabuse

Spiritual life.

I mean, he's a pastor, he's a reverend, he's gay, he came out as gay.

He was in the communards.

Yeah, he was, you know, but then he just lived that rock life.

And I was at a transition where I just came from Germany, South Africa.

He was very interested in...

His husband who passed worked in South Africa and helped a lot of the children and the women who had HIV AIDS.

So he had a really deep, meaningful connection to South Africa.

And then we met again in the jungle and spent three weeks there.

And we had those conversations, which we completely...

forgot that you, cause you forget you're on camera and we just had those meaningful conversations, those spiritual ones, those, because I'm at a point where sometimes I'm like, is, is God a thing?

And like, he was like, yes.

God is a thing.

And I'm like, what about Jesus?

And so it's those conversations that we would have, just the two of us.

And every time he has to convince me, I'm like, but I'm having a bad day.

And he's like, yes, God does allow bad days.

That's okay.

I'm going back to South Africa with my friend, Richard Cole, and I am introducing him to things that I love about the country.

But as we're driving, and it's like from Johannesburg to Cape Town, it's a 16-hour drive.