Oti Mabuse

He was a god in the whole country, but that's controversial because you can't just bring him along.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

The way she's spoken about in the UK or the rest of the world and the way she's spoken about in South Africa is just worlds apart.

So we grew up with her being the hero, the actual warrior in the streets, walking around.

To try and get him freed and keeping him alive.

Yeah, but other things as well, you know, like other army things as well.

And how she got treated was just always put in the background.

So I'd have to have both of them.

But I still wouldn't have them because I need the conversation to go that way.

You know, I still, I think that I read, my dad made me, when we were naughty, my dad would make us read A Long Walk to Freedom.

When you were naughty?

Yeah, so that's where my love of books came from.

It is a really good book, but it's long.

We read that one, you know, the thick one?

The one that you can't even open the book.

Okay, it's not nostalgic, but I do think it's just weird.

We had shock.

Shock.

Shock.