Owen Rascovitch

And that's ultimately how you end up in the executive branch, if you like.

So that's definitely something to keep in mind.

And it's just all the while keeping yourself as valuable as possible.

Yeah, and if you want to change career directions but you can't quit your day job because you need your income, building up a skill set on the side, building a portfolio of work in that area and the relevant skills and then you can bring that to the table and you don't have to stop working or go off and do a full-time course.

Yeah, and just for career starters because there's probably people listening to this that probably haven't made their way into an industry yet,

you hear these things all the time where there's a graduate position or what have you, and they say you need experience or you need these certain qualifications, but there could be a thousand people that meet that criteria and you don't.

So you've got to stand out somehow.

So maybe it might seem silly, but maybe just mentioning that you have this other skill set, recognizing what the business does and then highlighting that is really important.

And that can sometimes make you stand out from the crowd.

For sure, yeah, because you're going to be a problem solver when you go into a business and if you can bring some sort of skill set that might be valuable to them, you don't know what that is necessarily, just mention it.

And for most jobs, apart from some of the niche ones, they care more about your problem solving and your ability to get things done and innovate rather than that specific knowledge so that you know those hard facts better.

There are some jobs like air traffic control where you need to know the hard facts.

As you'd know.

But a lot of jobs, especially in the finance industry, they're looking for your ability to solve problems and work with clients and things like that rather than you know X, Y, Z because the employer knows you can pick up most of that on the job.

That's true.

Okay, so one of the things we wanted to talk about I think is talking about HECS and student loans.

Is that right?

Yes.

Yeah.

And I've got to say, I think you're the expert of the two of us.