Oz Veloshian

There will be new rules.

There will be new leadership.

And that's happening institutionally inside our countries too.

So I think the fact that something is cyclical gives you that push and pull.

And when things are at the peak, you start to like feel really ebullient and think that trees can grow to the heavens and they can't.

And when things are towards the trough, you end up seeing a lot more negative news coverage and not recognizing that you're gonna rebound.

That to me is the way I think about the geopolitics.

Well, that's a good way to end it.

Or a good way to end the discussion, not a good way to end the cycles.

Thank you for your time.

As always, everyone should... Good to see you, my buddy.

If you take one thing away from this conversation, go check out Puppet Regime.

I mean, if you know of Ian's work, that's great.

But if you haven't been paying attention to the puppets, it's the best way to feel like you're on top of what's going on in the world, but you can also laugh about it.

And if you take one other thing away from this conversation, if you had a basketball game and you see me and Zach, you want to hang with us, because that's where the real conversation is happening.

Absolutely.

Please send me your thoughts at theprogressnetwork.org or to my edgyoptimist newsletter, and we will try to take them up.

I certainly value the time that you are dedicating to listening to this and hope to be with you again next week.

A win is a win.

Put yourself through some hardships and you will come out on the other side a happier, more fulfilled, healthier person.