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The Future Is Inherently Uncertain, But What Could Go Right?

24 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 3.596 Unknown

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4.638 - 20.56 Clifford Taylor IV

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what y'all say. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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21.001 - 39.39 Clifford Taylor IV

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

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39.811 - 57.174 Kia Gaines

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57.454 - 70.369 Kia Gaines

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70.788 - 78 Ian Bremmer

In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd was accused of fathering twins, but the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax.

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You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens, correct?

81.586 - 90.218 Ian Bremmer

I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing.

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Greg Gillespie and Michael Marancini.

Chapter 2: What does it mean to be an 'edgy optimist'?

877.387 - 898.028 Oz Veloshian

Sure. Because we don't know. And you're right, maybe not. Maybe none of you will be listening to this because we'll all be dead. Let's just stipulate that that is a possibility. I think that that's the rub of these things, which is everything, the doom, the P doom, wherever you are on that scale, every point along that scale is right.

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What I mean is every point along that scale is justifiable by some future speculation. But how you assess future probabilities, you look at the past, You look at who's saying what, you try to parse it, and then you're left with the temperament issue that we talked about at the beginning, which is which story and tone resonates most for you. I know that's really unsatisfying.

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Like, we want to know, is this going to kill us? Is this not? Is this the end of days or is it not? And I feel like having a certain humbleness about the inherent uncertainty of future outcomes, I take solace in. Of course, other people, that's really unsettling.

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937.572 - 960.357 Oz Veloshian

But you've written recently in the Washington Post that focusing on negative possibilities rather than probabilities is actually harmful. Yes. What makes it harmful? Because at any given time, there's a lot of negative possibilities. And look, we are wired to be highly attuned to risks. And there's a lot of healthiness to that. Yeah.

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we are wired to preserve ourselves, our species, our family, our own bodies. If you're too blithe about the absence of risks, we know that can do you harm. I think there's healthiness in being attuned to risk, but if you are unable to distinguish between possibilities and probabilities, the manifold risks of what's possible will just drown it out.

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be an expert in the field of AI doing, be an expert in the field of counterterrorism, of biological warfare, you know, how they sleep at night is really fascinating, right? Because they basically spend their days dealing with worst case scenarios and like really bad worst case scenarios. And yet they, you know, they go to bed, they have kids, they wake up, they live their lives, right?

1005.663 - 1013.833 Oz Veloshian

They live their lives as if either they're going to prevent those worst case scenarios from happening or as if they won't. And then that's also pretty fascinating as an indicator.

1013.813 - 1022.716 Zachary Karabell

Yeah, I guess that's the kind of the magic locomotive of human nature that is without which we would... We would, right.

1022.856 - 1028.009 Oz Veloshian

Yeah. So, but talk about the question, which is also the title of your podcast. The What Could Go Right?

Chapter 3: How have recent global events influenced our outlook on the future?

1276.785 - 1284.256 Oz Veloshian

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1337.24 - 1353.095 Michael Easter

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1353.696 - 1365.087 Michael Easter

I'll be speaking with writers, researchers, and other health and fitness experts and more to look past the impractical and way too complex pseudoscience that dominates the wellness industry.

1365.303 - 1375.614 Zachary Karabell

We really believe that seed oils were inherently inflammatory. We got it wrong. Many of the problems that we are freaked out about in the world are the result of stress.

1375.894 - 1383.422 Oz Veloshian

Put yourself through some hardships, and you will come out on the other side a happier, more fulfilled, healthier person.

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1395.121 - 1416.187 Clifford Taylor IV

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what y'all say. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

Chapter 4: What role does temperament play in our perception of optimism?

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1566.477 - 1574.071 Zachary Karabell

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1574.592 - 1594.227 Oz Veloshian

See details in the podcast episode description box. We're going to roll into your episode with Ian Bremmer now. Just before we do that, what's the framework for it? What should listeners be looking forward to? So this is one of these episodes where I have a long personal relationship with a person who I interview, which I will do consistently.

1594.728 - 1606.928 Oz Veloshian

So I've known Ian for a long time, and we have had an ongoing discussion about... focusing too much on the risks and not enough on the possibilities. And he's one of the foremost foreign policy thinkers, prognosticators.

1607.008 - 1624.795 Oz Veloshian

Right, but he's also built a business focusing on risks to help companies understand the risk matrix that they are entering into and help governments and help individuals, all which is vital and important, and he's brilliant at it. But my challenge to him is often... If we're focusing so much on the risks, what are we potentially missing?

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And the conversation I have with him may not do that as much, but that's the spirit in which I enter into it. Zachary Karabell, thank you. Thank you. Ian, it's a pleasure to have you back. So we had this conversation more than two years ago, right after October 7th, 2023.

Chapter 5: How does technology impact our understanding of global issues?

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Particularly in the Trump story, right? But the trends and the flows are not... unique to the United States by any means. When you kind of look around the world and then you go to somewhere like China, which for the moment has huge issues, but those are not its issues, right? How do we explain all this in the world today? This really easy question to answer.

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That when people feel for a host of reasons that are well known, that their leaders do not represent them, and they do not believe that they can elicit change through the existing system, they will operate outside that system.

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Now, in some cases, that means that they will have a gray market or a black market, or they will lay flat, as here in China among a lot of young people, they're laying flat, they don't wanna work, they're not gonna be a part of a state-owned enterprise, they don't wanna join the Communist Party, because there's no benefit for it. In some cases, they'll turn to violence. They'll demonstrate.

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You know, we just did a survey at GZERO of the greatest number of political demonstrations in the world over the last year, number being described as people gathering nonviolent, more than three for a political purpose. India was number one, not a surprise, also the most populous country in the world. The United States was number two. And Iran was number three.

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in the last year, so interesting metal table, maybe not the one you would have expected. But there also is increasingly political violence, right? And I worry in the same way that when the CEO of United Healthcare is gunned down by a relatively articulate college student who decides the only way out of this system is through, that's a really bad signal. It's not data, it's just a signal.

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but you and I are seeing more signals like that. Now, I believe that some of those signals are constructive. I believe a No Kings rally is a constructive signal. I believe that FDR was a constructive response in the United States to a kleptocratic system that provided for its elites. And FDR tried some things that were against the law. He tried to pack the Supreme Court.

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He tried to purge his own Democratic Party. He failed. But he eventually created an administrative state that was professional, that provided for the people. He provided a new deal. He created the basis for a working class and a middle class in the United States. I think that we are going to see more political revolutionaries in America after Trump fails. But they don't need to be like Trump.

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And in fact, it's highly unlikely they will, because Trump is a fairly singular figure, right? I mean, not just in the kind of person he is, but also in how talented he is. Like he's extraordinary communicator, world-class communicator and awareness of how to build and maintain a brand. So bringing those two things together, that's hard.

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I suspect that it's at least as likely, maybe more likely that the next political revolutionary in the US will be more like FDR and less like Trump. And I think that's great because obviously much of the system needs to change and it's not gonna change through its existing institutional frameworks.

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