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And when he was appointed to the White House role, Laura Loomer came out and basically said, this is the worst thing ever.

He's, you know, supporting illegals.

And he ended up getting death threats.

This story does have tentacles right back to the beginning of the administration.

Talk a bit about, yeah, talk about him, how you know him and this kind of, yeah, that story.

You mentioned it began at Christmas in 24, I guess.

Not to mention Elon.

So it's a revolving door, except you get to not actually have to leave.

You can sort of be, you don't even, you barely, I mean, you're sort of even more, you can have a foot in both camps and have less sort of ethics and regulatory exposure, but still have the same amount of influence.

It's like best of all worlds.

Kyle Taylor, have you been following the White House drama of a sure I'm all the wider?

Well, I'm sure the wider story.

Yes.

But what are your thoughts here?

That's a great point, Kyle, because even from an aesthetic point of view, like when you thought, if you ask what's the single image of tech and government from the like 2010 to 2020 era, it's like Mark Zuckerberg sweating in his suit saying, we sell ads, sir.

Right.

And now it's like.

To your point about the sort of value that tech companies could derive from government and going back to the early 2010s era, I mean, the Democrats seem to understand the power of social media before the Republicans, like it was blue state digital and all of this.

No, no, no, Taylor, I'm wrong.

But are there any true opponents of the tech industry like Steve Bannon who still have influence with Trump?