Pablo Torre

Basically saying, look at how high I can jump.

Because you were a standard and a template.

Walter Cronkite was.

The other men that you were competing with, by the way, at the very least, the premise was they were of a certain perspective of how to hold powerful people accountable.

Yes.

And then at some point,

Flash forward to today, the smash cut.

Something happened in between, and I don't know what.

Part of what I think has happened as we think back at your interview with Bill Gates is that at some point,

Every media company gave way to ultimately a very, not just corporate ethos when it came to like the stock chart and what matters.

and what comes at the expense of it, but also the perspective and the mentality of tech companies.

Like tech companies are owning everything.

All of us fundamentally who work in media work for tech companies.

That's the ethos.

That's the strategy.

That's the competition we're trying to beat.

And it is like the thing that I think about all the time is at some point, don't you want to be the good guy in the documentary?

I'm looking back at the stuff that you've done and the stuff that Maury's done, and I'm like, man, like, I would like to look back at an interview that I've conducted and be proud.

I'm sure you have them.

All I want to point out, though, is simply that part of what I am so tickled by when it comes to your relationship with Maury as this empty chair now signifies...