Pablo Torre

It's just that we're being manipulated through money, by the way, that originates in a key form here.

And you alluded to this before, Dan, and I've only gotten to this now, from the owners of the Orlando Magic.

The DeVos family has put six figures behind Riley Gaines as this figure.

Like they're funding her work, her activism, which gets it all backwards to the profit.

Again, I ask everybody to think of who who profits from this.

I would dare say that it's not actually the women and girls that Donald Trump has as these props as he's signing executive orders to ban trans athletes from women's sports.

Yeah, I think it's important to realize that sports is like this gateway drug for lots of cultural issues.

It's also the legal framework.

These Supreme Court cases working their way through the system now to actually strip the rights

from trans people to be just included or allowed in these spaces.

And I think there is an enormous sort of paradox of like, how can this problem, which is vanishingly small in real life, right?

So again, the numbers per the president of the NCAA is that there at last check were fewer than 10

varsity D1 level trans athletes, right?

So that's less than 0.02%.

That's the moral panic that swings elections that these legislations, these these bills, these legislative efforts that are spreading across American state houses where they can't find the trans athletes to justify

the actual legislation and find the people, the offenders to like parade in front of courthouses.

None of that matters because the rhetoric has been so persuasive around how dangerous they are, how predatory they are.

And so sports being the place where you can officially ban them from public or very least from sports spaces leads to then what about in the rest of American life?

And it's nuts, man.

It's all like, you can have a debate, a rightful debate about scientific advantage, right?