Pablo Torre

Okay.

What was your job with the Mavericks, Bob?

What was your job title in the NBA?

It meant you, like me, talked to Mark Cuban a lot.

You are also, according to both, I would say, historical record and legend, one of the most successful NBA bettors of all time.

And he's not wrong, by the way.

ESPN called Bob in 2013, quote, the world's top NBA gambler.

Meaning that, yes, he is the only NBA better who became an NBA executive in large part because of his success betting.

He also is a highly competitive poker player and now the owner and operator of that European soccer team that he mentioned in Spain.

But what is crucial to establish here is that Bob Vulgaris got insanely rich off of gambling long before the U.S.

Supreme Court struck down the federal ban on sports betting in May 2018.

meaning that when Bob was becoming the guy that every legal sports gambler you know is now striving to be, there were no betting slips, no legal receipts for his millions to frame.

Right.

Okay.

So for about how long?

I'm trying to do the math.

But we're getting into very clearly the nine-figure winnings territory is what we're talking about.

Yeah, just like the trajectory of guy without money who is desperately trying to get some to guy who uses sports gambling, particularly on the NBA, to get more than he ever dreamed.

And now he's in this position in front of this fake-ass bookshelf in which you can survey the world that you kind of inspired on the internet, people trying to be like you.

The way, though, that you had to do it, put us in the timeline here.