Pablo Torre

When did you place your first NBA bet so we can get a sense of what you had to do from there?

But the idea that the NBA is the thing you're going to start putting these bets on such that you have a facility with it.

What was the reason why you chose the NBA?

And what was, if you were to diagnose it in retrospect, what was your competitive advantage?

Why were you actually good at this?

You're trying to find patterns in all of these games and you're sifting through as granular data as you can get.

Right.

Oh, look, the whole, and I need people in the general audience to understand and appreciate this.

The reason you have to use a beard, basically a disguise, someone to put the bet in for you, because if you walk in with your face and your name, they're not going to let you do it.

The reason they won't let you, Bob Vulgaris, do it is because at some point you reveal to them in the course of your track record that you might actually have the ability to win money.

In the pre-legalized gambling era, which is the era in which you're coming to have this success.

Yeah.

Who's the most famous person that you used as a beard?

But the premise, though, the premise of why Floyd is the perfect beard is parallel logic.

Yeah.

But it's the idea that the athlete, and this also has some resonance with the poker stuff, which we'll get to, but just the idea that there's a very famous person with disposable income for whom strategy is more of a theory than an actual practice.

Wait, though, the Instagram guy.

Excuse me, that's how I know of Dan Bilzerian.

Now he's, I believe, perhaps the next secretary of the treasury.

I don't know what Dan Bilzerian's up to now, but he was.