Pablo Torre

It's allegedly Damon Jones.

Well, the idea is these people were whales, were bait for... But they're not even whales, though.

But isn't the theory that you think, you hypothetical poker player, think you can absolutely pants the NBA guy?

Antoine, oh no, friend of the show, Antoine Walker had a garbage bag full of cash.

Hold on.

So in NBA betting, you were like, ooh, the bench being on the same side as the court with the defense.

In poker, you're like, I see a garbage bag full of literal money.

That is my competitive edge.

But speaking of what Bob refuses to do, at this point in the episode, you probably have a pretty decent sense of his vast store of knowledge and money when it

But the other thing you should know here is that given that background, I did find something kind of surprising, which is that on the subject of legalized sports betting and how America should approach it now, Bob thinks that the whole thing is a really, really, really bad idea.

My position has been, I think we should legalize it and regulate it.

Your position is what?

And that is just the beginning, by the way, of what the greatest NBA better of all time thinks about this industry's very public relationship with not just the NBA, but also the media.

All of which left me feeling somehow less paternalistic than the guy who once used Dan Bilzerian as a beard.

You're suggesting that the thing that you made your money doing as a premise is destructive enough to want to not merely regulate, but return us to the prohibition era.

That's your current view.

Personally, I find myself not being as much of a moralist on this stuff.

My philosophy in general, when it comes to gambling, has been that as with the legalization of other vices, like alcohol and marijuana, sunlight is a preferable disinfectant to the alternative.

And that most Americans really can enjoy this stuff responsibly.

And that pushing people towards black markets run by even more criminal figures without any legal oversight or taxation does seem worse.