Pablo Torre

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

I'm trying to get us both invited to the next Bortles Fest.

You've got to make sure we're buttoned up here.

the the action is the jews i mean is it basically come down to that why would tyrone lou or anybody else need to be involving themselves in this yeah this is a question that i contemplate and there are two sort of like ways to answer it one is to point out that a lot of these guys do in fact need more money than they ever uh... want to admit and or we would ever expect despite there being lots of reporting police that i've done in the past about like there's a staggering rate of athletes going broke that was sort of blow your mind even though it's well-established at this point that's the one thing

But the second deeper thing, which takes us to I'm trying to think of like which sort of like psychoanalytic little Darren Aronofsky maybe in this one, right?

Like you're sort of like crawling into the brain of someone for whom what seems like a luxurious life is kind of also this nightmare.

And I think in that nightmare, we can think of someone like Michael Jordan, who has famously said he's not addicted to gambling.

He's addicted to competition.

And I urge you to find the distinction in that difference.

I urge you to sort of find the clinical diagnosis in that non-diagnosis, perhaps.

But yeah, man, I think there's something very, very familiar to the action being the juice, to wanting to win and wanting to risk something, given that sports asks any athlete.

And I respect this part so deeply and so sincerely because I don't have it.

I don't have the thing.

Well, maybe I do now that I'm like investigating them.

But before I was like the idea that you put your name on something and put humiliation on the line every time you stepped out in public.

Right.

Like that's on some level the juice in sports, in gambling.

And I'm not surprised, I guess, that a bunch of these guys find that level of a high in something that feels kind of beneath them.

Yeah, look, I think about it.