Pablo Torre

So I keep going back to Jordan and even Barkley as a sort of like point counterpoint here, because both of those guys love gambling.

And that's OK.

There's nothing wrong inherently with really enjoying gambling.

The question becomes, what are you using it to fill inside of you, so to speak, to get back to that sort of like interiority?

What kind of a movie are we watching?

Michael Jordan, like the guy could not have won more.

He is the person for whom we consider the synonymous figure, the face of winning.

And yet that wasn't enough, right?

And so you watch The Last Dance, as I have multiple times, and I marvel at just, like, how the thing that's supposed to be at the end of the rainbow wasn't there for him.

And meanwhile, by the way, Charles Barkley loves, again, loves a casino, but at the same time...

Did not win in the way that Michael Jordan did is in fact synonymous with the other way to sort of be embarrassed in public.

You never want to title.

And yet I look at him and I'm like, that guy seems happy.

and maybe I'm buying into a different fiction, maybe Charles is miserable, although I will say in every interaction I've had with him, name drop, he seems unbelievably thrilled to be Charles Barkley.

And so I think there is just something around what were you expecting that was going to fill that, you know, round peg, round hole problem inside of you.

And I think that some guys, they keep on searching for that thing, for that high, for that thrill.

And you're right, man.

I've talked to, I mean, look,

As somebody who was based in LA, remains very familiar with very famous people.

I think it is really hard to not feel that anymore.