Pablo Torre

How long does it take for Sherman Smith, the coach, to become Sherman Smith, the dad?

How does the language around that change, given their relationship has been long and intimate, but in this, again, non-biological way?

And so now we're in the present, Sarah, and they have this relationship.

They have talked to you about it.

You're updating your reporting.

What's it been like?

What's it been like since they got to have that, I mean, truly cinematic level of embrace?

At the center of that Venn diagram, along all of these overlapping circles, is at least one dude, in this case, Pete Carroll, who happens to be the guy who employed both of these men as coaches in the NFL.

Can you catch us up to just...

The unending gravitational field around Dylan McCullough and his life.

And it is funny to hear Dillon tell us about what Pete Carroll had detected back when Dillon was an intern with the Seahawks and Sherman Smith was a coach on the staff.

Because Pete Carroll kind of sniffed this out before, you know, the DNA test did.

Yeah, that's the thing I realized about the way I've been hearing this story up till really now, which is I thought that this was a story about a guy sucked into a gravitational field beyond his control.

And then you realize that actually he is the one making these calls himself.

And part of what it is to live in this profoundly, seemingly scripted, unscripted story is that the choices he makes are the ones that bring him back

to who he is.

God.

Put that in the trailer.

Put that in the trailer for the movie, Sarah.

I mean, is it hard to not think about the movie?